Vicki Odillie Simon Wilkes Mark Terndrup GROUPED

PODCAST | tp bennett’s net zero roadmap

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Vicki Odili from tp bennett, Simon Wilkes from Legal & General and Mark Terndrup of Waterman join PlaceTech’s Paul Unger.

This episode was brought to you in association with tp bennett.

Headquartered in London with a Manchester office serving the North of England, tp bennett is a multi-disciplinary design practice of 320 staff, focussing on architecture, interiors and planning in the UK and internationally. For more information on tp bennett and the services it provides, visit


  • The net zero carbon roadmap produced by tp bennett prioritises sustainable and equitable design following the UN’s goals. The practice wants to ensure buildings it is designing now do not have to be retrofitted in future and is testing its targets against a range of typologies.
  • Skills are a big challenge. The property industry needs to start at ‘home’, in your own company, and individuals need to self-educate and take responsibility for upskilling themselves. There are lots of good events and guides available from industry bodies where you can start
  • There is no accurate standard rating system for carbon emissions – that should change and industry needs it to
  • The key success factor for investment funds is to brief teams and be clear what you want to achieve out of a building. Buildings that are designed to be net zero do cost more in L&G’s experience, which takes a longer-term view on value as it holds assets rather than trading them, and can offset increased costs over the long term. Buildings that are not designed to achieve net zero will be discounted in future because people will want to improve them after purchase so at some point the cost has to be incurred to bring them up to net zero standard
  • Supply chain – tp bennett has produced a responsible sourcing charter and has found a lot of suppliers do not have all the information they need about product origin – for an SME the cost of finding information can be exorbitant. The charter addresses modern slavery, transport distance and mode, and uses a questionnaire and simple traffic light system. This has been received well by suppliers and helped show them where to put their energy. A joinery manufacturer has made small steps and replaced plastic corners on packaging with cardboard and worked closely with partners nearby to share transport. A lot of this is about talking to people, they do want to do better
  • M&E systems will typically last 15-20 years, says Waterman, so in the lifecycle of a building if they have to be replaced three or four times they have a large embodied carbon impact
  • In recent years sustainability has been treated as a bolt-on, adding to the basic build model. This notion needs to be addressed from the outset. Buildings need to be simplified, relying on fabric to do the hard work

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